Re-encoded digital video

[scratchie]

Originally Posted by scratchie

Why does the same logic not apply to a digi broadcast?

Because, with an obscure 20-year-old videotape, the chances are pretty slim that there's an alternate source. With a current digital broadcast, there are, hypothetically, lots of different TTD members who could capture it. I hope this helps clear up your confusion.

Who says because it was aired last week that it was recorded in any format other than a standalone or that you will ever see it?

At some TV-oriented torrent sites, people plan in advance who is going to capture what show, so that the members know that they're going to get a high-quality capture. If sites that specialize in Xvid uploads can go to that trouble, why can't TTD?

In the end, all mpeg2's are lossy, so we might as well just close VBT until everything is being released as authored .avi & .ts on blu-ray.

Well excuse the fuck out of me for trying to propose a way of improving the overall quality of videos at a site which claims to value high standards of quality above all else.

[vladsmythe]

scratchie, they won't get your point. The bottom line is, I have the shit. I can share it from the source that I collected it 30 years ago, or I can choose not to because it dosen't conform to some new-fangled spec. I'm gonna go with "share the stuff". Never had a complaint yet. Ever been to Bull Shoals? Ozarks. Killer trout fishing on the White River. None of this bull....just fishing, time, and tunes.... I say get it out at any cost...tear down the walls...content is everything.

[pawel]

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

jesus, man what ? am i frustrating you ? so sorry.

You don't but you ask questions which were already answered.

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

5. give it 3-5 more years & then we talk/trade lossless video

I don't think so as there is nothing at the horizon providing very high compression which is not lossy. New HD standard uses lossy H.264 codec, and it's at entry point. So, maybe 10-15 years ;-)

[AAR.oner]

Originally Posted by pawel

I don't think so as there is nothing at the horizon providing very high compression which is not lossy. New HD standard uses lossy H.264 codec, and it's at entry point. So, maybe 10-15 years ;-)

i agree, there's really no evidence of any "lossless" codecs being actively developed...in all honesty, i haven't really seen anything in the industry that would point to any interest in something like that

[scratchie]

It may astonish you to discover that there are actually more obscure bootlegged artists than the Grateful Dead.

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by scratchie

At some TV-oriented torrent sites, people plan in advance who is going to capture what show, so that the members know that they're going to get a high-quality capture. If sites that specialize in Xvid uploads can go to that trouble, why can't TTD?

You are welcome to start a thread and try and get TV captures organized. I think it's a good idea, I'm just not sure what the best way, or place, is for this to get organized.

[scratchie]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You are welcome to start a thread and try and get TV captures organized. I think it's a good idea, I'm just not sure what the best way, or place, is for this to get organized.

What's the point? There doesn't seem to be any interest in improving the quality of anything but GD audience videos around here.

[direwolf-pgh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_data_compression

we are already there

[vladsmythe]

how do you upgrade the sound on a Grateful Dead video that's 20 years old, say West 57th or The Today Show. Wouldn't that be kind of ....STUPID? Standalones work great for that.

[bot]

Originally Posted by pawel

New HD standard uses lossy H.264 codec, and it's at entry point. So, maybe 10-15 years ;-)

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

i agree, there's really no evidence of any "lossless" codecs being actively developed...in all honesty, i haven't really seen anything in the industry that would point to any interest in something like that

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_data_compression

we are already there

no lossless video codecs huh ? I beg to differ.

[direwolf-pgh]

why is H.264/MPEG-4 AVC listed as lossless & lossy - i couldnt find a decent explanation.

[scratchie]

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

why is H.264/MPEG-4 AVC listed as lossless & lossy - i couldnt find a decent explanation.

Probably because Wikipedia is only fact-checked by insomniacs and the chronically underemployed.

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by scratchie

Probably because Wikipedia is only fact-checked by insomniacs and the chronically underemployed.

thats not much of an answer either "mr. i want better standards now" anybody else ?

[direwolf-pgh]

ok the simple answer is "it depends on what data rate you select to use with the codec"
blu-ray..lossless... streaming.. lossy

pretty cool algorithm.. double the compression ratio of MPEG2 without loss.

ok. im done with this read.

[scratchie]

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'irony'.