Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by rspencer

Or as some sites do it, if you're ratio is below a certain point, you can't d/l it at the start.

I guess that is just a punitive measure because doesn't that actually make it harder for someone to improve their ratio (assuming they genuinely are trying to)?

[bfrank]

I do pretty like keeping it the way it is .

bfrank

[rspencer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

I guess that is just a punitive measure because doesn't that actually make it harder for someone to improve their ratio (assuming they genuinely are trying to)?

Oh yeah. That's about all that accomplishes. Those with good ratios get it first, seed until they hit 1.0, then drop off. Leaving lots of people with bad ratios incomplete if nobody chooses to stay to seed to them. It can only be punishment, since they're never going to improve their ratio having to wait & come in late.

the ban on downloading if you have a ratio less than 0.25 at Dime doesn't discourage hitting&running, because about a third of their membership have still gotten themselves banned.

that leaves you with a club that has a third of its membership out of the game. okay, so you can seed yourself back to 0.25 and start downloading 10 big torrents right away and still uberleech on those.

i think we should just name and shame the assholes, and let them deal with the abashment.

[daddyray]

WWJD? oh wait we know....

[uninvited94]

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/member.php?u=216980

Downloaded: 3.25 MB Uploaded: 11.44 GB Ratio: 3,603.00

Geek.

[daddyray]

damn some folks here lately are fucking pigs relative to their lack of sharing....they should all be forced to listening to air supply.

[ZJLI]

This is such a useless thread

[paddington]

I was just trying tpo figure out what you guys could be talking about in here that it keeps showing up..

[rspencer]

Originally Posted by Alex231

This is such a useless thread

Funny how there is an Air Supply mention, and then you have the very next post. Gotta love that search function.

[Bingo969]

The only thing I can add to this is to remember there are people like me who have an ISP that insanely throttles upload speed.

It will take me on average about a week to upload a DVDs worth of material. That's a big part of the reason I stick mostly to audio shows. Occasionally though I find a DVD that I just can't pass up. It often will take me a month or more to "catch up" if there aren't many leechers after I get the show.

Add in that for some reason the shows I go for usually aren't the most recent or most popular and my seeding chances are often very low.

Just something to think about. I hope to get FiOS in my area eventually and can move to an insane upload pipeline but until then I have to limp along at my craptastic speeds and hope like hell I can keep my share above 1.0 but I really, REALLY have to work at it to do so.

[itnAklipse]

Originally Posted by skip

Look at all these inveterate leechers trying to rationalize their stealing from the community

Just a couple thoughts for the bad ratio types -- how many torrents have you killed by not seeding? How do you justify that? Have you ever downloaded a show that had just 1 or 2 seeders? Be glad those people don't act like you.

Some ppl DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY in order to listen to music - i know i don't. Forst of all, i like talking to and being around REAL LIVE people rather than talking in the net. But it's not that i don't talk to people in the net, i'm always happy to make personal friends, who are actually interested in what i have to say or i'm interested in what they have to say, nor do i avoid all message boards, but to waste my time yammering about music with random people? No thanks.

We also don't live under outright communism just yet - at least in letter the western society is individualistic. You people gotta re-learn what liberty means and what are the principles behind it.

If you share your recordings, what is wrong with ppl downloading them without giving anything back? You are the one who shared unselfishly, but then you make demands. There are really nice people who share recordings and are happy people appreciate them and enjoy them - and these people don't demand anything back - except perhaps they like to know that their efforts are being appreciated - these are really DECENT sharers.

And i never jump off torrents when i'm the only seeder and someone is downloading - but that's the thing, in the end people who support individualism and liberty are actually decent people - that kind of thing isn't decided by ratio (you wanna know how many people i have sent shows just cause i've had something they wanted? At least over ten - but i SURE AS HELL wouldn't want to do it if i felt FORCED so that someone accepts me and deems me worthy - nor do i ALWAYS do it, sometimes i have my reasons not to.)

But under liberty, even being not decent should be allowed because we're all on our own trips on this planet.

Ultimately, the people who jump off torrents bveing the only seeder etc., are the only ones who know why they do that. If they feel they are doing the right thing - it's their business to learn on their own whether or not they are not. By FORCING A POLICY you will not make a SINGLE PERSON better in any way shape or form on this planet. And ultimately it's not up to you to decide what's better.

And why do i read threads just as this if i don't have time or interest in this "community"? Because i saw the title of the thread and thought i would have something constructive to say.

No need to debate with me, you'll come to your own understanding through the application of your God-given sentience - as have/will i.

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by itnAklipse

Some ppl DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY in order to listen to music - i know i don't. Forst of all, i like talking to and being around REAL LIVE people rather than talking in the net. But it's not that i don't talk to people in the net, i'm always happy to make personal friends, who are actually interested in what i have to say or i'm interested in what they have to say, nor do i avoid all message boards, but to waste my time yammering about music with random people? No thanks.

We also don't live under outright communism just yet - at least in letter the western society is individualistic. You people gotta re-learn what liberty means and what are the principles behind it.

If you share your recordings, what is wrong with ppl downloading them without giving anything back? You are the one who shared unselfishly, but then you make demands. There are really nice people who share recordings and are happy people appreciate them and enjoy them - and these people don't demand anything back - except perhaps they like to know that their efforts are being appreciated - these are really DECENT sharers.

And i never jump off torrents when i'm the only seeder and someone is downloading - but that's the thing, in the end people who support individualism and liberty are actually decent people - that kind of thing isn't decided by ratio (you wanna know how many people i have sent shows just cause i've had something they wanted? At least over ten - but i SURE AS HELL wouldn't want to do it if i felt FORCED so that someone accepts me and deems me worthy - nor do i ALWAYS do it, sometimes i have my reasons not to.)

But under liberty, even being not decent should be allowed because we're all on our own trips on this planet.

Ultimately, the people who jump off torrents bveing the only seeder etc., are the only ones who know why they do that. If they feel they are doing the right thing - it's their business to learn on their own whether or not they are not. By FORCING A POLICY you will not make a SINGLE PERSON better in any way shape or form on this planet. And ultimately it's not up to you to decide what's better.

And why do i read threads just as this if i don't have time or interest in this "community"? Because i saw the title of the thread and thought i would have something constructive to say.

No need to debate with me, you'll come to your own understanding through the application of your God-given sentience - as have/will i.

you need to get out more often and chat with REAL LIVE PEOPLE

[uninvited94]

Pre-internet real life trading definitely had a point: You had to give something if you wanted to get something. This is not about a "community", not even "karma", this is about if you understand the meaning of "trading" or not. Especially my Dime-ratio might suck big balls, but at least I´m always throwing my own shit into circulation.

[rspencer]

I still trade. Just did 2 in the past few weeks. Lots of great shows will likely never hit the 'net.

Always good times having shows that fan sites list as "no recording exists."