Why aren't FLAC shows tagged?

[cicada]

It seems these tags appear on mp3 players - right? What does that have to do with lossless music? I would argue that one good reason for not installing this metadata... If done improperly, it's a pain to repair. A second reason is that it makes those repaired files un-tradeable. A kettle of fish in my opinion. Having never used tags before... I admit this seems completely unnecessary.

Thanks for helping me with the repair. Peace.

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by cicada

It seems these tags appear on mp3 players - right?

tags are used by any and all modern flac players be it software or hardware based.

Originally Posted by cicada

What does that have to do with lossless music? I would argue that one good reason for not installing this metadata... If done improperly, it's a pain to repair. A second reason is that it makes those repaired files un-tradeable. A kettle of fish in my opinion. Having never used tags before... I admit this seems completely unnecessary.

if you still burn CD's then tags may seem unnecessary - yet some may enjoy the redbook feature of CD-Text.
For those who enjoy digital playback systems (portable player or home A/V servers) tags are essential - the cryptic 'etree naming convention' is severely lacking by todays standards.
it seems the live audio trade sites are the only sites that dont enforce tagging.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by cicada

What does that have to do with lossless music?

Lots.

[cicada]

ok ok - there seems to be more than a little support for tags. What would the convention be - assuming we all named these files in the same way?

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by cicada

ok ok - there seems to be more than a little support for tags. What would the convention be - assuming we all named these files in the same way?

That's the beauty of it. You don't a file naming convention. Just tag the files with artist, song title, track. Then you could put whatever additional information you want. I put the date of the show and location for album title. I think that makes the most sense. I also put lineage in the notes.

[cicada]

Here is an example (change in blue). Is there a cleaner way to add this to the lineage?

Source:

SBD>Cassette Master>DAT

Conversion :

DAT @ 48k -> HT OMega 7.1 Soundcard (Optical Inputs)>WAV (48)> Syntillium Cool Edit Downsample to 44.1 WAV>CD WAV (Track Split)>FLAC

Remove & re-tag to allow tracks to play in order.
FLAC>mp3tag

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by cicada

Here is an example (change in blue). Is there a cleaner way to add this to the lineage?

Attachment 87348

[rspencer]

I'd rather people didn't tag 'em. If I want it tagged, I have no problem doing so.
And the more that people tag files, the more I'm gonna have to deal with the bullshit like yesterday, listening to Ozzy while the player shows Jimmy Buffett tags.

[aikowolf]

Originally Posted by rspencer

I'd rather people didn't tag 'em. If I want it tagged, I have no problem doing so.
And the more that people tag files, the more I'm gonna have to deal with the bullshit like yesterday, listening to Ozzy while the player shows Jimmy Buffett tags.

Buffet tags on an Ozzy recording.. sounds like the originator either had too many margs or not enough pills in him...

[faninor]

I tag my shows. If I'm going to seed something why wouldn't I take an extra 45 seconds to do it right? If you don't like how I tagged it (or if I don't like how someone else tagged a show I downloaded), metaflac --remove-all-tags. Easy.

[cicada]

Originally Posted by jfaninord

I tag my shows. If I'm going to seed something why wouldn't I take an extra 45 seconds to do it right? If you don't like how I tagged it (or if I don't like how someone else tagged a show I downloaded), metaflac --remove-all-tags. Easy.

True, but now those filesets have new fingerprints. How many versions of the same show do you think will surface if everyone seeds with different tags?

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by cicada

True, but now those filesets have new fingerprints. How many versions of the same show do you think will surface if everyone seeds with different tags?

tags don't effect the fingerprints (except md5, I think, which is one reason we don't use them)

[Unidecker]

seems people are scared of what they don't understand tags are good when used properly and not abused by an idiot who doesn't get it stick to mp3's on i tunes if you don't understand this is for real archival purposes not to show off yer lamer mp3's with.

[faninor]

Originally Posted by cicada

True, but now those filesets have new fingerprints. How many versions of the same show do you think will surface if everyone seeds with different tags?

All the more reason the original seeder should tag it, and tag it good.

(and, as dcbullet said, flac fingerprints are generated only from the audio data -- a standard checksum like cksum, md5, sha-1 etc. would change, but a flac ffp or any other checksum/fingerprints that have passed The Trader's Den's have no dependencies with tagging)

[Forbin117]

I tag all my flacs. I have my own way of doing it. I don't mind when the seeder tagged it, although to make it my convention I usually have to change things. Hell, tagging is part of the fun for me. And how many times have you looked at an mp3 site and seen "Marijuana - Phish" for a title. Let the taper use his convention, change it on your own if you don't like the way they did it.